Christian upbringing teaches that you wait until marriage, and then have sex with only your wife. (although there was polygomy in the old testemant..) anyway, I think the hard part of accepting a gay lifestyle for most Christians is that it represents sexual freedom in general, not just the fact that you are with a man instead of a woman.
Of course there would still be opposition to a man deciding to be completely monogamous with a man for the rest of his life and getting married (like traditional heterosexual marriages aim to do) obviously. But I dont think that option even really can be seen, because exremely seldomly real. let's face it, a guy comes out of the closet, decides to accept his homosexuality an then to act out on it if not having done so already. And so possibly begins the long string of partners throughout his gay life. Of course heterosexual men have many partners also and yes a lot of them are "Christians" or from those type of churchy families. BUt the goal in sight (ideally) for the heterosexual is to finally commit to one and settle down with just that one never forsaking for another...etc. And Christian society accepts that what with forgiveness and all that.
However, for a man raised in a Christian home, coming out is a big step in deciding to acknowldge the homosexual feelings are real and not going away, perhaps informing all the people they wish to share it with, beginning to search to have sex or continue having sex with other men, and also quite a big step in confronting their Christian faith.
I feel uneasy sometimes that at this point men choose to walk away from that faith soemtimes as abruptly as they have left behind their closet life in general. I guess the bridge is so hard to find, what with most every Christian they know so quick to condemn first (instead of loving first as commanded). I am so confused at how a family could ever choose the faith over the child,I mean that's a family bond gee whiz, no wonder a guy coming out would turn their back on both their family and faith.
I don't know how I'll end up living the rest of my life in or out of the closet, hopelessly non committal to any relationship etc. But I definitely plan at this point to keep hold of my faith even if I did come out, I would probably go Episcopalian or greek orthodox I don't know.
I think its strange also the guys who tell me, how could you ever marry a woman and for the rest of your life live a lie. I don't get that. there are a lot of heterosexual marriages in this country that remain comletely monogamous throughout duration. Sure they all have their up and downs, but it ain't all about sex anyway. I am not exactly sure why getting married and denying myself sex with other people (whether man or woman) is any different from other Christian men who marry and deny themselves touching another woman ( or man for that matter). They are not living a lie. Is it all about the sex anyway, the marriage I mean?
Are gay guys relationships about sex only? How many do you know that are monogamous for a very long time but eventually they being to sleep with other couples, or then it becomes "open" whatever that means. I will say I know some guys that bond so much as a couple they can never break up even though they are no longer having sex with each other. The friendship is so real and they are so comfortable living their lives together etc.. they just never break up, sound familiar?
so anyway these are just some thoughts I had this week while driving to work, listening to NPR radio. I'm from the bible belt and it's all I know, and people and places are so different in this country. this guy on the radio was saying how he was brought up in NYC and most people there consider the religious type people as just whacko and completley wasting their time. can't be completely true because I have some great buds from my Christian college who were all from NYC.
ya know, I was always so impressed growing up when you'd watch those documentaries where a pair of birds would mate for life. I still think that is really cool.
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Once again you have said some interesting things....Marriage is hard and I am not sure why everyone sleeps around....It is a bit sickening that everyone just has sex with people for fun...Marriage wwith a man and women isn't all bad...But (don't take offense) But 2 men can't not be married so there for how can they wait until marriage? And I have wondered this before, and I am not trying to offend you,but you are the only 'gay' man I know, so I just don't want to hurt your feelings, and if I don't forgive me, but I never understood how 'gay' people have faith in G-d, because G-d made man and woman to be together, so is it hard to know that G-d didn't have this writen into us? Okay, now I feel foolish and like I am anti-gay or I am trying to tell you are wrong, but I'm not I'm just wondering...Okay now I have made a fool out of myself-Take care and please don't take offense at me not knowing-perez
I think you've hit a real good point. I've just come out to family and friends and I've been raised in a pretty faithful Catholic community. No one has rejected me and continues to support me as I search for my path. I think it is possible to be monogous, especially if you have faith. God creates out of love for love and that's were most of society gets screwed over. I know God loves me and created me and wants me to somehow share in his creative love. It was hard to come out because I didn't want to be associated with all the negative or promiscus things - I wanted to see a faithful homosexual couple - and I've had the opportunity to meet some so that gave me hope that I can have faith and love. Relationships aren't about sex at all. We live in an over sexed country and we lose sight very easily about real, authentic intimacy that binds two peoples souls so that they may help each other faithfully live the truth of God's message which is love not lust.
Ya you really said something I thought about afterwards, but G-d does love us all and I read another blog of a girl who went to a same sex marriage and she couldn't believe how people hated them for being gay...They were Jewish and it is about loving people, not hating them
Shalom
Wishing you the best-perez
Are you planning on staying in Oklahoma? I have never been there, but there is no way I would even visit there. I cannot imagine not living in a major liberal big city. Things in big cities are such more progressive and exciting.
We share many things in common Dan, but the religious upbrining is not one of them. I feel for you and your struggle. It's hard enough being gay in society without the burden of a religion that condemns you. I know many religious people who have moved beyond this particular tenet (as there are so many strange laws and edicts in the Bible), and I hope that someday you will be able to reconcile your internal conflict. I firmly believe that two men (or two women) can marry, regardless of what religion says. Marriage to me means that two people make a comittment to each other for (hopefully) the rest of their lives. I know married gay couples, and I plan to marry a man, raise a family, and be monogomous (wow, that's hard to spell).
You've given me a lot to think about, I think I'm gonna have to go write my own post about this.
Dan,
I am not a Christian but I am gay and have a friend who belongs to the Metropolitan Community Church. Check out their site at www.mccchurch.org/ .
MCC accepts people from diverse backgrounds but is mainly for gay and lesbian Christians. It may be a good idea to speak with people who understand where you are coming from as they too have walked in your shoes.
In my opinion you are sounding more confused as you try to work this out alone. How can you accept yourself (which is about self love) when you are considering living a lie (to yourself mainly).
I believe you will get through this and you will find the Dan that God wants you to be.
All the best mate.
Dan, I hate it when you equate Christianity with a rejection of being gay. I hope you realize that certain Christian fundie-type preachers have twisted the Bible to suit their homophobia, just as Christians before them twisted the Bible in support of slavery, racism, and so on.
Do you honestly think Christ -- that most accepting of historical/religious figures -- would reject someone because they're gay? Did he ever say he would do that? Anywhere?
I know it's difficult for you to square your sexuality with the religious stuff you've been told, but Christianity and homosexuality are NOT incompatible. Millions of Christian gay people are a testament to that.
I hope you'll genuinely hear and believe that message one day because it's not just some wishful thinking; it's the truth.
Hey Dan
i can completely relate to what you're saying, having the struggles to trust God and live a gay life.
i've struggled most of my life. i'm 21. all i know is there's total acceptance in GOD for who you are.
often people hate sinners. if they could learn how to love sinners, and hate the sin. i'm not saying homosexual is a sin. We are not define by our sexuality.
things happened for a reason. but i believed we are not created to be gay. you have feelings towards guys, i have too. i love the cuddles, i love the hugs, i love to grow old with them.
if i could chat with you more on msn or something.
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